| Sent by Rich Daniels (Shawano, Wisconsin) |
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 Women have strengths that amaze men. They bear hardships and they carry burdens, but they hold happiness, love and joy. They smile when they want to scream. They sing when they want to cry. They cry when they are happy and laugh when they are nervous. They fight for what they believe in. They stand up to injustice. They don’t take “no” for an answer when they believe there is a better solution. They go without so their family can have. They go to the doctor with a frightened friend. They love unconditionally. They cry when their children excel and cheer when their friends get awards. They are happy when they hear about a birth or a wedding. Their hearts break when a friend dies. They grieve at the loss of a family member, yet they are strong when they think there is no strength left. They know that a hug and a kiss can heal a broken heart. Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors. They’ll drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you to show how much they care about you. The heart of a woman is what makes the world keep turning. They bring joy, hope and love. They have compassion and ideas. They give moral support to their family and friends. Women have vital things to say and everything to give. HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ONE FLAW IN WOMEN, IT IS THAT THEY FORGET THEIR WORTH.  Please pass this along to all your women friends and relatives to remind them just how amazing they are.  |
| Iron Sharpening Iron In regard to: One Flaw in Women Article Sent by Rich Daniels Comments by Ray Daly (Lincoln, North Dakota) |
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| But, as I was going to write about, “One Flaw in Women”. There were no flaws mentioned. I don’t know of or have ever read of such women. In fact, it says more negative of women in Scripture than it does for men, and it says a lot of right about men not being all that great. We know Eve did not fit that bill. And how do you think she taught her daughters? How about Sarah. Nagged Abram until he had sex with her maid, whom bore Ishmael. Which son, in Scripture and some historical accounts, Abraham loved deeply. Sarah? How did she deal with “her forced son”? Rebekah for example. Lied and deceived Isaac and caused Jacob to do the same. To actually “lie to and deceive his father”. Look what Jacob got for his listening to his mom. Twenty years of slavery. How about Jacob’s two wives, Leah, and Rachel? “Nagged and nagged” so that he would have children with their maids. After he did, they “nagged and nagged” again, so he would do it again. Nope, the author is totally out of touch with reality and Scripture. Women and men have human nature in equal amounts. With women shown to often to have no respect for the position of the husbands whom they are supposed to be supporting, and husbands whom are supposed to be supporting their wives. With each “supposing to” have differing roles in the family. Of course, you’re a woman, and perhaps do not see it the same???? Editor’s Note: One Flaw in Women, is a poem to honor women. The flaw is mentioned at the end of the poem where it says, “HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ONE FLAW IN WOMEN, IT IS THAT THEY FORGET THEIR WORTH.” I actually understood the poem really well and unfortunately, I understood your put down of women really well also. What is it that causes men to believe they are better than women? Just look at all the things you blamed women for causing men to do. I have yet to find any man who has to be nagged by his wife to go have sex with another woman. And it isn’t just women who lie. Men lie and then deny they even lied most of the time. We are each individually responsible for our own sin. If your wife tells you to go kill someone, she has not caused you to do that because she cannot make you do anything you do not want to do. If indeed you do kill the person, she told you to kill, you did it because you wanted to do it. And the outcome in such an example is that both you and your wife are responsible equally if someone ends up dead. It is really hard for any woman to respect a husband who feels he is superior to her and continually puts her down or even in some cases beats her. Respect is mutual. If you do not respect women, they will probably not respect you. And from your response I can see that you believe there are more bad women in the Bible than there are bad men. Perhaps someone can send us a full count on that so we might see if you are being truthful? Laura Lee |
| Iron Sharpening Iron In regard to: One Flaw in Women Article Sent by Rich Daniels Comments by Nathaniel Burson (Big Sandy, Texas) |
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| I don’t believe Ray Daly’s comment was a put down of women; he was simply trying to bring the author of that poem back down to Earth by pointing out that women were people, and that people are flawed, and this glowing portrait of angels is not in touch with the reality of what any human being is – it was more a description of the Catholic virgin Mary than anything else. I think we all know that women and men are both sinners, and both responsible for their sins. Yet this poem teaches us that women are not sinners, and that literally their only flaw is excessive humility. You printed it, you defended it – is that truly what you believe? This poem is a dorky Mother’s Day card that has no place in a Bible newsletter. Ray was right to question you on it, and you owe him an apology. Editor’s Note: I can see you and Ray are both on the same page. You both have an unhealthy attitude about women. Much of Ray Daly’s comments in regard to women were derogatory towards women. In other words, it is one thing to not like something that is printed but then when you go through a whole bunch of women in the Bible saying that they nagged until their husbands had sex with their handmaids is just plain as you put it yourself “dorky”. Ray did the same thing in his opinion piece which Adam did when God confronted him. Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. In other words, Adam blamed his wife Eve because she gave him fruit and he ate it. Ray is saying that the wives he mentioned nagged their husbands until they had sex with their wives’ handmaids. The problem is that Adam chose to eat the fruit when he knew it was wrong. Just like these Bible men chose to have sex with their wives’ handmaids even though they knew it would cause future problems, which in many cases it did. I am sure if someone had sent us a poem building up the ego of men and we printed it, men would be silent because they like the ego strokes. Guys it is a poem written by author unknown. This poem has nothing to do with sin or humility or even nonexistent women. It describes how most women feel and the sacrifices they make for their families. Sacrifices that you and Ray will never see in any woman because you only want to see women as below yourselves and not of much value. The poem is talking about the value of women and not whether they sin or not. Most women never know their worth especially when they are married to men with the attitude that you and Ray have. I will give no apology to either one of you because I did nothing wrong to apologize for. I also believe this newsletter is an appropriate place to publish such poetry when other people who get the newsletter send us these items. I thank God every day that I no longer have to endure the daily put downs by men such as yourself and Ray Daly who for some reason were never taught to respect and value not just their wives but all women. God made all people equal and in His image. My prayer is that someday the both of you will understand that point. Laura Lee |
| Iron Sharpening Iron In regard to: One Flaw in Women Article Sent by Rich Daniels Comments by Darwin Lee (Bismarck, North Dakota) |
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| Directed at Nathaniel Burson’s Comments: Actually, when I read this poem, it reminded me of the Proverbs of the virtuous woman and how the “Proverbs of Solomon the son of David”, (Pro. 1:1) extoled the virtuous women who has her self-worth recognized by a man who gives honor to whom honor is due. Proverbs 31:10-31 The poem had nothing to do with sin verses sinless. It seems anyone can criticize another mans-woman’s work to make themselves feel much better than others rather than to consider others better than themselves as the Bible suggests we should do. Philippians 2:3 (KJV) Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves. Did you catch that you “men of glory”? Yes, consider even women better than yourself! See if you can swallow that and fulfil the God ordained way of seeing yourself as you fill your “lofty” idea of your greatness more over than your wife or women in general. So have a nice day and let the “righteous” say, “I am so glad I am not as other men (women) are, I give tithes of all that I owe”-ah, you know the rest of the story! Proverbs 14:1 (KJV) Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands. So, there are wise women as there are a few wise men. Why do I say, “a few”? Look around you, past and present, see how well men who have overseen rulership over nations and tell me how righteously they have “ruined” God’s earth. Hey, men, pat yourselves on each other’s backs, KUDOS! AH, once again, do it a second time! Feels good, doesn’t it? Yet, all the while many men beat their wives into submission. Please, give me a break! I’m just being honest. You all should try that some time. The poem was meant to honor women. Perhaps someone can make up a poem to honor men and I’m sure you would relish that, and it probably wouldn’t bother you at all if it ended up in a “Biblical newsletter”. |
| Iron Sharpening Iron In regard to: One Flaw in Women Article Sent by Rich Daniels Comments by Nathaniel Burson (Big Sandy, Texas) and Laura Lee (Bismarck, North Dakota) |
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| Nathaniel Burson writes: If you’ll read what I said again, there is nothing that remotely denigrates women; I simply wanted you to be in touch with reality. You printed that woman have no flaws, except the not-really-flaw of excess humility. Since sins count as flaws in my book, that literally says they are without sin. And that’s not true of any human being, and every one of your readers knows that. QED. Laura Lee writes: Let’s deal with this part first. QED means = QED is an acronym for the Latin phrase quod erat demonstrandum, a fancy way to show off you just logically proved something. Now that we have that out of the way, I did not say women have no flaws. Perhaps you should go back and read what I wrote to Ray and later to you. Both you and Ray have sent me items for print that denigrate women. What, because I print a poem honoring women, I am now not reality based? You have a way of twisting words into pretzels to make yourself feel better about what you say. It doesn’t work here. Basically, you are now angry because I can see right through you. Just look at yourself you are not only denigrating women, but you are also defending other people who denigrate women. You have logically proven nothing to me except that you see not one thing wrong with your attitude towards women and you are not only going to defend your right to denigrate women, but you are also going to defend others who do the same. Nathaniel Burson writes: If you had printed something that said men have only a single flaw, say, excessive patience, I’d be just as critical. You don’t believe me? Go ahead, print a poem extolling masculinity, and see. But wait a moment… that would never happen, would it? It certainly never has. Don’t men deserve to know their value? Why don’t you want to honor men for their unique contributions to the good in the world? Darwin doesn’t seem to think they’ve made any. Laura Lee writes: I didn’t say, nor does the poem say that women only have one flaw. As far as a poem about men goes, if someone had sent me a poem that honors men, I would have printed that also, but I did not get one. You could have sent a poem honoring men, but instead you felt the need to twist my words into pretzels as a means to trip me up so you can go see… gotcha. And then pat yourself on the back. It isn’t going to work. Nathaniel Burson writes: Yet if you truly saw men and women as equal, you would want to honor all of God’s children, male and female alike – and you would do so with open eyes, criticizing the flaws and praising the virtues. Because every evil thing you’ve accused men of doing, women have also been guilty of. Just as I’ve seen every one of the things in your poem done by men; so, have you. So why are their virtues unworthy of mention? Because you don’t want to see men praised for being men, because every bit of honor a man receives threatens you. Laura Lee writes: When a man receives praise or honor, I am all for it. Less than 1% of people who write articles and submit them for print are women, that means the rest are men. I thank men all the time and I honor them by printing their articles, even articles I do not agree with. Honor and praise of men or women does not threaten me in any way but a woman disagreeing with you seems to threaten you an awful lot. Nathaniel Burson writes: You blame all men for the abuses of a few you’ve known, and you try to somehow punish them by punishing any man who acts the least bit masculine. That’s why you don’t merely want men to treat you as their equal, as I have always done; you want them to treat you as their superior. That’s why you get triggered so quickly and lash out at the merest whiff of criticism of any woman, even when it’s deserved. Laura Lee writes: Your own words give you away, you are not and have not ever treated me as equal to you because it is not even what you believe. You believe that all women are inferior to men so there is no way you would treat me or any other woman as equal to you. Please read your own words. Nathaniel Burson writes: But never once have I talked down to you for being a woman. I’ve talked down to you for being wrong, and blinded, and stubborn, as I’m doing right now – but never for being a woman. Because unlike you, I don’t hate the opposite sex. I hate pride, arrogance, and hypocrisy regardless of where I find it – and I find a great deal of it here. Because you don’t actually want equality with men; you want to denigrate men. Laura Lee writes: God is the one that gave me equality with all men and women. Denigrating anyone is different than just not agreeing with them. I put out a newsletter once a week and sometimes I disagree with people and sometimes people disagree with me and that is okay. It has nothing to do with denigrating anyone. Denigrating someone means you don’t value them. Denigrate=to treat or represent as lacking in value or importance. When you have a belief that women are inferior to you, you are by definition denigrating them. Nathaniel Burson writes: Well, I have bad news – God is male. And your hatred of men has blinded you to many of the fundamental truths of the Bible, to the point where you think that God, our Head, Father, and Creator, mutually obeys us (which is literally the most absurd and irrational idea I’ve ever heard). Likewise, Jesus is a man. Not an effeminate, emasculated man like you would like us all to be, but a man’s man. And Jesus, our Lord and Master and someday Husband, will not mutually obey you. Laura Lee writes: So, when you can’t support what you believe you just make stuff up? I do not hate men; I am married to a man. I have never taught that God and Christ will obey me. All this does for you is show what a liar you are and that you will say anything about another person even if it is untrue just because you are angry because you cannot control me into agreeing with you that women are inferior to men. Nathaniel Burson writes: Now certainly, you have the free moral agency to choose to obey Him or not; as you said some time ago, this fact is Bible 101. What you did not apparently realize is that His bride does not have that choice, for THIS VERY CHOICE determines whether or not you will be part of His bride in the first place. Those who completely and absolutely submit to Him as their Head will be His bride. All those bitter feminist man-haters, male and female alike, who call Him their Lord, then demand that He treat them as equals, will be cast away with the rest of the goats into the lake of fire. Laura Lee writes: Yet more twisting of my words. When I mentioned this is basic bible 101. I was talking about the fact that everyone has free moral agency. Since you know your bible so well as you claim to, you should know that everyone has free moral agency. Free moral agency is our right to choose whether we will follow God or not. Do you honestly believe I don’t know what it is? Nathaniel Burson writes: I know you have all sorts of nasty things to say about me and men in general now; so, go ahead. Have the last word. Bash me and all men everywhere in your paper; libel me some more, show all your readers how much your toxic feminism despises men willing to stand up for the Truth, but I’m tired of taking your abuse, Laura. Unsubscribe me. Laura Lee writes: Just for the record Nathaniel you started this whole thing twice. The first time was when you sent an email to me for print in regard to the article “5 Reasons Genesis 3:16 is Not a Model for Christian Marriage” found in Issue #23. As I recall you weren’t masculine enough to defend your own unbiblical doctrine, you sent your wife who understands she is inferior to you. When that didn’t work out you finally showed up again defending the same unbiblical doctrine you tried to pawn off on everyone the first time. The second time you started this was when you decided to defend Ray Daly’s problem with women which is the same as yours and I actually know Ray Daly personally and know exactly how he treats women. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. No one from here has abused you in any way. All that happened here is you sent email that you wanted to be printed and we did not agree with what you wrote and now you are angry and that is your fault and your problem. You thought it was okay when you were dishing it out to others but when you met with resistance to your own faulty belief you lashed out and then ran away. Nathaniel Burson writes: P.S. If you do print this, do me the courtesy of quoting it intact this time, not breaking it up into little pieces. Laura Lee writes: I would never think to tell God what to do with His own creation as you lied and said that is what I want to do when it is just a lie made up by you. You also do not have a right to tell the editor of any publication how to print something unless you become the editor. I sincerely wish you the best and I honestly hope you have learned from this experience. If you don’t want it printed do not send it here. For the rest of the story: 5 Reasons Genesis 3:16 is Not a Model for Christian Marriage https://www.church-of-god-bismarck.org/2021-0023/linked/5-reasons-genesis-3-16-is-not-a-model-for-christian-marriage.pdf One Flaw in Women https://www.church-of-god-bismarck.org/2022-0048/linked/one_flaw_in_women.pdf |
| Iron Sharpening Iron In regard to: One Flaw in Women Article Sent by Rich Daniels Comments by Darwin Lee (Bismarck, North Dakota) |
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| My Second Response to Nathanial The poem, “One flaw in women”, by writer unknown, sent to this newsletter, was just that, a poem. The title itself is about one flaw. It doesn’t say, “The Only Flaw”. It’s a poem, meant for nothing else but that one flaw is what women, don’t recognize in themselves. That poem is not “rocket science”. It’s about women’s self-worth, not about having sin or no sin. The poem ends with, “however, if there is one flaw in women, it is that they forget their worth”. Now, if flaw and sin are synonyms, then the women’s sin would be that of not recognizing their self-worth. Now does that make any sense. Sin is the transgression of the law. What commandment would that come under, specifically? I commit many flaws. When I build or repair or remodel my house inside or outside, I end up with less than perfect workmanship and most anyone looking at my work could spot the flaws without much effort. Now what commandment (sin) do I break when I “commit” all those flaws? It’s all so much nonsense and rubbish. Check any dictionary and find where flaw and sin are synonyms. The most you can find as a definition of flaw is an imperfection, mostly having to do with imperfections in “stuff” or ideas or even in giving a speech, which most anyone giving a speech will have their share of flawed speech whether it be, style, pronunciation of a word, boring people to sleep with their presentation, etc. In other words, his speech was all “flawed”! I ask, just what commandment (sin) did he break? Sin is the transgression of God’s law, not your law. Flaw (flɔː) n 1. an imperfection, defect, or blemish 2. a crack, breach, or rift 3. (Law) law an invalidating fault or defect in a document or proceeding vb to make or become blemished, defective, or imperfect. The poem does not say the only flaw women have is… It just says, “one flaw”, there could be more and probably are more. The one flaw the poem is focused on is in the content of the poem and nothing more should ever have been garnered from the poem other than what was meant and that to give validation to women that all too often they don’t receive. There are plenty of scriptures in the New Testament about giving honor and do praise in our relationships with one another. My comments in previous rebuttal to you about men doing such a horrific job in leading the nations to ruins for six thousand years now, was meant to help you come off your righteous “high horse” and see the realty of man’s leadership and that found to be “wanting”. In your angered response to my wife, you said this about me, “Darwin doesn’t seem to think they’ve made any”, referring to what I said in my previous response to you about men. Evidently you became so hot in your response to my wife you never read my response to you very well. Fact Check: Look at my response to you and what I actually said. I will quote it for you. “So, there are wise women as there are a few wise men”. I never said there weren’t any men that have done good, only a few in the scheme of things, six thousand years now. Come now, admit it, men have ruled the earth while putting women under their thumb and squashed them and their self-worth and you know it or perhaps you don’t for you are in their camp. This fact rests in the history of many nations where they rule their women with a “rod of iron” and treat them like less than dirt. Scripture says husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves his church. When has Jesus ever demanded you obey and when you don’t, smash you with force, do it or else? Your fruits and your words betray you. What did Jesus say about the condition of man’s rule at the end of days before He returns? I will quote it for you, “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened”. Matthew 24:22 (KJV) It’s men who are in rulership when Christ returns not women for the most part. The last time I checked, I would say I qualify as a man, and I have come to acknowledge that our species haven’t fared to well in righteous leadership. It would behoove you and others reading this, to come to admit it as well and humble yourself, then you may have a more Biblical view of others. As the scripture says, “Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves”. Philippians 2:3 (KJV) Nathanial, by your words, I rather doubt you consider your wife better than yourself! You seem to dig yourself deeper and deeper in the quagmire you have created here all for want of making sure women are put in their place. It was just a poem and you got all bent out of shape over it, contributing it to having said something which the poem never said. Had you read the poem and noticed the title not even saying what you claim it said. I suspect the reason you got all hot and bothered over it, is by the way you view women inferior to you and you couldn’t stand for it when someone called you on it. You chose to go where you did with this issue. So, now own it. You knew this was a public forum and submitted your “iron debacle”. I call you out, as Paul did in public to Peter on another issue that Peter needed a public correction. Let’s See if you can handle it as well as Peter did! |
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